Does Amazon make money on in-bound shipping???

Or maybe I should ask do they publicly admit to making money on inbound shipping?

For example if I ship 4 pallets from NY to MI, I am being quoted $1,400 through Amazon Buy Shipping, however if I book the shipment myself with the same exact carrier that Amazon would assign me, it is $850.

There is no way we get better LTL rates than Amazon as we obviously do not use the carrier in the same volume capacity that Amazon does, which only leads us to believe that Amazon is making a “spread” on the inbound shipping.

Anyone have any info/thoughts on this?

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Jeff needs another $65,000,000.00 jet

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I mean LTL rates can swing wildly from moment to moment depending on what is available, and I doubt Amazon’s pulling real time rates. I would guess they are negotiated.

That being said, Amazon has never said they don’t profit off of shipping, Inbound or FBM outbound. So I would expect they can make a profit on some shipments, and sometimes not.

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Publicly admit, never

I highly doubt they break even or take a loss.

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IDK how much they can possibly be making.

Just set up a 5 pallet split:

Fort Wayne IN
Hopewell Junction NY
Greenwood IN
Memphis TN
Henderson NV

Shipping from just north of NYC - $ 639 total for all 5 pallets. 3 of them being handled by Amazon Freight. The other 2 split (Estes / CTI).

I don’t know how they do it but I am glad they do it…

Also saved $1,944 in placement fees. Probably spent an extra $350 in freight by splitting but anyone can do that math…

10,800 Units. 5.9 cents a unit for inbound freight.

When we ship UPS, our Avg shipper (144 units) - (18X14X14), 30lbs is $9. My partner’s business has a decent volume UPS account. Their best rate would be north of $25 a shipper.

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We are shocked to see those low numbers unless shipping costs have drastically changed in the last month. (we have not sent in pallets that are partner-carrier since Dec)

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I don’t disagree with you. This shipment was more reflective of the rates of a year or more ago.

With LTL, Amazon now gives options if you can wait longer for pickups that are much cheaper (being handled by Amazon Freight). If you are in a rush, you need to get lucky and have an AMZF appointment available.

For transparency, we sent a pallet to FL last week that cost almost $400. We were in a rush bc of low stock. Had we waited another 6 days, it would have been $148.

Proper planning is key.

We are still recovering from the capacity constraints of Q4 where Amazon had us at 250 feet (less than 6 weeks). We had to buy capacity in Sept to load up for Q4 just to keep our business running normally. It was cheap to do but I still don’t get it.

Our capacity now is 800 feet+ (almost 20 weeks).

We didn’t create a single shipping plan from 9-31 - 12-31. As you might imagine, it’s a real bitc h on cash flow when Amazon pulls this nonsense with capacity, forces proven sellers to load up and buy space and then charges them 4X the storage rate after you load up for Q4 as directed.

I’m not all that big on claiming Amazon runs money grab schemes but in this instance it is…

And all you hear from Amazon in this regard is use AWD - NO THANKS… I know for a fact that those facilities are not conditioned spaces (from a call I had with an AWD exec who was trying to push the program on us).

We will not subject our consumable products to long term storage in those kinds of conditions, nor will we lose the very little control we have of our business when it comes to sending inventory in.

I fear that AWD will no longer be optional in the future because that was probably some big execs pet project that was supposed to make Amazon more money. It will be forced on all of us sooner rather than later.

By then, hopefully conditions improve and more seller facing tools are in place to get inventory into the FC’s with goal factors in mind (weeks on hand).

Supposedly those functions were launched recently and the exec we spoke to said they were coming. I don’t know anything about them bc we aren’t using AWD.

I closely follow one of the top selling accounts on Amazon, who is also in our category ($250M+ annually).

I have a very strong feeling that they are using AWD due to their volume / listing count (well over 1000 PL supplements). I always review their seller feedback and other competitors. The number of “Melted Softgel / Melted Gummy” feedbacks was astonishing this past summer, fall, AND winter. Those skus aren’t new for them but that kind of feedback is. Only leads me to believe that they jumped on the AWD train which was pushed by their Amazon manager(s) and now deal with the consequences of their products baking in 90-100+ degree warehouses.

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