NSFE: Just won a lawsuit against Amazon!

Interesting:

https://sellercentral.amazon.com/seller-forums/discussions/t/825db8b3-d932-4559-a390-6e8673e1fe38

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I read the thread and I must be really slow today. I see no more content than the title.

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Personally, I always thought of Small Claims Court (SCC) as an answer, as in a SCC the Judge usually rules by common sense over the legalese in contracts that are ambiguous.

But with a limit of $5k to $10k, that might not be enough for many issues.

As well, the thought of risking your account (if you intend to list on Amazon for years) must be considered, as I unfortunately do not trust them from retaiiation.

Isn’t that a sad commentary on AMAZON?

That NO Amazon Vendor trusts them

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It was in small claims court. Amazon’s lawyers appeared on Zoom.
Some of the answers were hidden in replies…

I hate the hidden replies feature on NSFE. If a seller takes the time to reply, their response should be immediately seen!!

Just one of the reasons SAS is a better, more transparent forum!!

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I saw this with keen interest. But the claims and jurisdictional limits wouldn’t really work for most cases.

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Like you (and, methinks, likely most everyone else, as it’s been complained about incessantly ever since The Screeching Harpy first foisted the NSFE on the 1P/3P Seller Community 012623), I abhor the ‘nested reply’ functionality.

The most-informative reply is one of those - i.e. the one from 020425 found here:

https://sellercentral.amazon.com/seller-forums/discussions/t/825db8b3-d932-4559-a390-6e8673e1fe38?postId=29ee6329-944f-4300-8fb0-e96e94810301

It’s perhaps noteworthy that in a few more-recent ‘nested replies’ - made in response to folks asking which Law Firm’s representation was used, the OP (who’s been an ASF participant for many years, & still uses the same handle from both the Age of Jive & the Age of Discourse iterations of the OSFE) - s/he’s noted that the lawsuit was self-filed.

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Small claims, good luck collecting on it, but SCS is an easy win most of the time as others have said

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Some of us just don’t know when to quit while they’re ahead (“Pride goeth before a fall” and all that); as may be seen (rather starkly) illustrated in said OP’s latest reply having been moderated by the FMT/CMT:

https://sellercentral.amazon.com/seller-forums/discussions/t/825db8b3-d932-4559-a390-6e8673e1fe38?postId=9353dae7-bcd6-4fe2-9b57-65a376f4365f

I understand - and sympathize with - a desire to help others overcome this or that hurdle, but I continue to believe that there are some things which are better-off being kept under one’s own hat.

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I stopped reading right here.

This is a dog whistle keyword used by some group. I forget what group.

OP thinks they found the solution. OP will be squashed soon. Crow loud and get the boot!

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Solutions are not found by constantly pointing the finger and crying wolf.

But in a case like this, a well placed mirror will reflect the problem.

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I would be very interested in getting a list of these many other marketplaces where the fees are low, the traffic is high, and the customers never complain about their own mistakes.

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Here it is. Enjoy :rofl:

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The best part is there is no limit on the disclosure of the outcome of the case unlike arbitration.

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Small town sheriffs can get off on this kind of thing though.

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I remember this user from OSFE (I think) and wish them continued success!

The posts from the NSFE OP:




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In the referenced thread, one of the posters suggests sending modest amounts to FBA many times, and thus each transaction would be grounds for a separate case.

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I feel like there would be a valid argument that they’re not separate cases and that the combined claims exceed small claims limits. It would definitely make things more difficult for the plaintiff since it’s an additional defense Amazon has vs an open and shut case.

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I’ll just add that unpaid judgements accrue interest at a steep rate, and can go well above the small claims limit. I think 10 yrs is the outside that you can let that interest accrue, but I suspect Amazon has to at least carry that as a liability, even if they think judgements aren’t worth the paper they’re wiped on.

I do think enough of these cases would get Amazon to pay attention, even if it were only to result in them lobbying congress to eliminate small claims courts : \

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I mean technically Amazon could claim terms and conditions that require arbitration and have the case thrown out (not since judgement but for future cases from the OP)

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