The race our nation can’t afford to lose, plus a new commitment from us and a fresh set of community investments

An interesting read…

Amazon owns approximately 20% of Anthropic, not to mention all the web services that is using and developing on their own.
I believe that the mag-7 will continue to dominate the stock market for at the very least the next 5-10 years. Companies like Sandisk or MU will certainly rake cash, but the big’uns will try to control the monopoly on the software. It will be interesting to see how the “shovels” of this gold rush (hardware and power) will fair, but I do believe that the Mag-7 will continue to be the real big players.
I also believe that Palantir may become an extremely powerful arm of big-brother, and that does scare the living heck out of me.

finding ways to use less energy and natural resources—is digitally driven and enabled by data centers

Maybe we shouldn’t be using AI to do SO MUCH random BS?

What?

Are you saying that my having to wait to print a shipping label because the AI needs time to generate a “summary” isn’t a good thing???

Well … when it’s our time to print, it’s our time to print … you’ll just have to wait your turn.

School Yard Summary ...

Our AI is faster than your AI … naw naw naw … naw naw … naw
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I thought this looked familiar. I have already seen it this morning.
It is getting pushed on lots aggregator web sites.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Maybe they will use all of this computing power to fix the catalog. <=Garman, look here!

Interesting but seemingly biased. Is anyone surprised. It’s AMAZON, after all.

Frankly, if it so important to the nation(and the companies), let the companies pay for the water/ power!! Right now, seems the surrounding communities are paying for the improvements. Which makes the little guys(Taxpayers like you and me, resentful as h—)

In a burb near ours(Marana, AZ), they are redoing a prison to put deportees temporarily, which seems okay since the federal detention center was already there (makes the rate-payers wary, though).

The sticking point is the new data center which has nothing to do w/ the detention center but was passed by the coucil at about the same time, Now there are vociferous complaints. They’re talking recalls, payoffs, which is a possibility since land is being used that the mayor and his supporters own.

No benefits to the community yet, just water use that the area doesn’t have since at the edge of the Sonoran desert-and suddent rises in utitlity bills.

Arizonans, unlike states like TX, doesn’t have the ability to shop for better utitlity rates. You’re stuck w/ a utitlity company forever!

There is a community not far from us (south plains of Texas panhandle) where the data center going in is updating the town’s water system including the water tower and water lines in the city. It was on the news as an example of where a data center is helping the community as part of the investment of building the data center in their town. The push is to get more data centers doing this as part of their investment on a regular and normal process.

I’m as patriotic as the next person!!! Daughter, step-daughter, wife and mom–in-law of veterans. Don’t appreciate AMAZON intimating that those who don’t support data centers aren’t patriotic!!!

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Because don’t want data centers built next door. going to allow America to back-slide into a 2nd rate power? Gotta agree to allow corporate behemoths to use precious resources without paying their fair share?.

Vanderbilt, Carnagie, Stanford. John D. Rockefeller. Heard of them? Sounds like the same kinda PR garbage they used to bulldoze 19th/early 20th century folks(plus federal/local governments of the era) into agreeing w/ them! Arguments may be slightly different, little more sophisticated for a 21st century audience, but remarkably similar.

Come on now, they can’t be bad because the “free market” let them do it.

There is also the problem that they have to put these things near population and educational centers because you cannot exactly have luddites operating them. Replacing a server rack may not be a PHD in electrical engineering, but its more than 6 months at the community college learning to weld, or breed goats.

As someone who grew-up in a rural era. there were plenty of highly skilled technicians/ engineers in our area, which was approc/-20-30 miles from the “Golden Triangle”(Beaumont/Orange/Port Arthur, TX).

About a dozen refineries, several synthetic rubber/petro-chemical plants located along the Sabine River/coastal Texas.A 90 minute drive from Houston. Everyone’s parents commuted to these jobs, which were highly paid for the time. Even now, BP is buiding a huge new plant near Orange, TX/ .

True, almost everyone in the area died/still dies of some sort of cancer or respiratory ills. There’s always a trade-off. Don’t know what the data centers will be–yet.

I was referring to counties and half states in geography with a population of less than 5000 people. An example would be between Elko and Winnemucca Nv, Hemett Ca., Hobart Ok. and our old wood chip producer friend in Springview Ne. with a county population less than 800.

Labor pools are just a basic thing when you get lower populations, and tech jobs are typically not something one learns outside of formal training locations at either schools or similar industry employers.
Your example is the industry going where the raw materials are. Production or refinement are located at either where the oil is, or where it is consumed/shipped. That is why there are no lumber mills in the desert.

Your comment brings me back to a few years ago reports of the fracking industry in North Dakota. There were jobs to be had, and people who could do the work flocked there in mobs. I am not sure what has happened since then, but might the same thing take place with people moving for jobs in new industries, such as the construction and manning of data centers?

Yeah this blog post isn’t going down they way Amazon wants it to in local news stories.

I seem to remember the locals enjoyed the financial windfall on their tax base, but were not happy with the pollution, population density changes, violent crime, drugs, housing shortages, and all the other NIMBY concerns that come with small town life converting to a city.

Well, the core issue is that data centers need the same resources as cities, in regards to power and water, and people, so its a catch 22. The oil business came for the oil and piped it away. Data centers either come for water or electricity, which is not as geographically locked. I think its a one and done thing, just like the oil field jobs. Like the wells, once the data centers are built, the demand for labor will decrease as construction is the biggest employer of a data center, not operations, as far as I know or understand about either oil or data centers.

I’m as patriotic as the next person!!! Daughter, step-daughter, wife and mom–in-law of veterans. Don’t appreciate AMAZON intimating that those who don’t support data centers aren’t patriotic!!!

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Because don’t want a data center built next door. going to let the country back-slide into a 2nd rate power? Gotta agree to allow corpaorate behemoths use precious resources without paying their fair share. Sounds like the same kinda garbage Vanderbilt, Rockafeller . .

This is the rub right here. Nobody believes they will pay their fair share. It is a common theme across the nation on various corporate fronts. Crony capitalism has taken over and people have been sold that it has to be this way because money is speech. Thanks America.

Am I the only one who noticed there was not a single use of “Super Intelligence” or “SI” in the article??

ROFLOL.

I made my fortune, such as it is, running a small company (wife and me) which provided IP related equipment, which were common in other enviornments, packaged into kits with documentation for the technical people in the process control industries to use in expanding, enhancing and maintaining refineries, paper mills, nuclear power plants, water works and other important pieces of our infrastructure.

There were skilled technical people in those plants but the bulk of their skills were in the equipment which performed the functions, and the measurement devices, not in processing data,

When I worked for a computer manufacturer who supplied minicomputers which were used in many of these facilities, it was constant problem when we introduced new models. The process control users and their systems integratora were resistant to change, and often were 15 years behind the state of the art.

In my consulting years I helped a major systems provider create its new generation of state of the art process control systems. My business was a direct result of that effort and took advantage of the opportunity to provide do it yourself enhancements to those systems.

There were always strong technical people in those industries, but their focus and depth of knowledge was different.

I think that we cannot afford to ignore the AI challange, and will be lucky if it only causes as much damage as the internet has.

The presence of the refineries, water purification plants, and other sensitive industries on the public internet is a danger which we lack appropriate defenses for. As the breaches in systems by foreign bad actors recently have made obvious.

A worst case scenario would be enhanced use of AI to exploit the existing vulnerabilities.

We may be dealing with a Hobson’s Choice