USPS adding size restrictions/requirements USPS eyes expanding package dimension reporting requirements

Got this from Supplychain Dive today and am grimacing –

“The proposed change, slated for July 12, could expose more shipments to noncompliance fees if they fail to include accurate length, width and height figures.”
“The Postal Service is proposing to remove the size threshold starting July 12, meaning accurate length, width and height dimensions would always be required in the manifest for parcels of any size using those services, per the notice. An exception would apply for flat rate-priced pieces and USPS returns volume.”

NOT feeling warm fuzzies about this…

We use a 8X6 stay flat envelope that is at best 3/8 inch thick. PayPal already makes us round up the thickness to 1 inch. Amazon still allows the 3/8 inch dimension. Both generate the same price per envelope. What we don’t know is if Amazon is rounding up that dimension when calculating, pricing and reporting to USPS. For the business, we don’t think it will effect us.

However, when we ship packages out to the family, this may effect us and many others. When you fill a 20 x 20 x 20 inch box, the middle of the box tends to bow out a bit … generally under a 1/2 inch but it is bowed out. To avoid any issues, we will have to ship it as 21 x 21 x 21 inches when this goes into effect.

To us, this will be a minor adjustment as the dimensions would just be calculated the same way you have to declare a weight of 3.5 ounce as 4oz.

Since I do not (and will not) use ‘buy shipping’ it means that I will have to put in the dimensions of every padded envelope and box that I ship.

I HOPE that I can set the dimensions as a ‘saved’ size for my Stamps/Endicia/Dazzle shipping.

Of course, as slow as it is currently I’m guessing it will cost me maybe an extra 10 minutes a day currently…

I feel sorry for all the Amazon sellers that do NOT understand how often the Amazon dimensions are wrong and are selling FBM but using Buy Shipping!

Are there people out there who use Amazon dimensions for shipping? I didn’t even know that was possible! All of my stuff is saved from sizes I input, or else it’s Custom for the oddball stuff (but for BPM, doesn’t matter, so I rarely bother).

Ditto

I refuse to use ‘buy shipping’ so I’m only going by what have read in the NSFE posts (and previous renditions) but I have to believe that sellers that use 'BS" are stuck with the Amazon dimensions if they don’t pay attention.

I have checked to see what the Amazon costs would be for UPS at times and invariably the dimensions and weights they show that are drawn from the ASIN info are horrible.

And, in all cases, my Stamps/Dazzle/Endicia rates beat Amazon by several dollars every single time, even with correct dimensions and weights.

So, yes, I think people selling on shared ASINs do ‘trust Amazon’ which is an oxymoron…

We use Amazon Buy Shipping. We use a standard 8 x 6 stay flat envelope for shipping. The size of the shipping package is set up within the Amazon Buy Shipping. One can have multiple saved sized envelopes and/or boxes set to select from. When we get an order with two items, the only thing we need is the weight of the package (which we know for all of our multiple item orders). If we had different sized items, we would just set up another package size (which would be a standard size box of our preference).

To our knowledge, the size of the item and the packaging it is in is what is associated with the ASIN … not the package that the item will be shipped in. Now there are those items that are packaged as such that “the package” of the item is shipped without being put in another box. We are not referring to this type of item being shipped FBA.

Bottom line … if you have your own boxes and they are consistent sizes for you, then you can set up these sizes within your shipping information > Buy Shipping Perferences to use as a simple drop down selection within Amazon Buy Shipping when purchasing the label.

Perhaps it’s some defaults I set years ago and don’t remember, but I wouldn’t have the first clue on how to use Amazon’s dimensions on the ASIN as opposed to the measurements of my packages.

Agreed, but with one caveat, stemming primarily from Amazon’s penchants for both purposefully segregating various teams - often enough, a factor leaving this or that of them to stumble, unknowingly, into cross-purposes - and that paradigm’s conjunction with the DPC (“Detail Page Control”) hierarchy (perhaps best envisioned as pyramidical, with the ART [“Amazon Retail Team”] at the pinnacle, w/ 3P Sellers representing the base, and a slew of other levels in between), and the ‘elections’ that Amazon’s automated mechanism are designed to conduct in order to determine the “Winning Contribution” for this or that attribute.

At the first blush, it would likely seem to be counterintuitive, but there’s a reason why Amazon published the policy embodied in the SHC’s “Update product shipping package dimensions and weight for prepaid returns” (link) - and I remain convinced that the main reason for doing so rests in the DPC elections.

The “Refrigerator Box Return” Initiative, which was originally announced as a “…short-term experiment to understand buyer behavior…” in the 081922 News Headline “Additional return shipping options for seller-fulfilled returns” (link, ‘new-style’), was quite-obviously actually impelled by the desire to foist off the return-shipping costs Amazon had for years been incurring by its customer-centric corporate policy of not holding members of its Buyer Community to the rather stringent return requirements embodied in certain of its CHC (“Customer-facing Help Content”) published policy pages, and the subsequent erosion of what limitations were described in that Headline - up to & including last week’s evisceration of the sole-remaining RAO (“Return Attribute Override”) reason, High Value Exemption, as announced in the 010926 News Headline “Prepaid return labels required for high-value items starting February 8” (link, Seller Central) - have all combined to produce a paradigm where setting dimensional & weight attributes via the mechanism outlined in the aforementioned SHC page, and/or crafting Return Instructions incorporating Amazon’s own customer-facing policy language, may not necessarily be followed.

Nevertheless, as I’ve been know to mention a time of more before (such as in this 072722 OSFE post [link]), it’s not at all unusual for this and that Amabot (and/or data-deduplication/backup routine, etc.) to pull data from a supposedly-segregated database, and use it to override data set in another by the 3P Seller; hence the reason why we expend time & treasure to not only set every-possible editable attribute to our OWN liking, but also use more of the same, going forward, to monitor for unwanted changes (which, as I suspect most all of us who’ve been around the block a time or two are aware, has long been another of Amazon’s penchants).

Doing so - and thus, being able to prove that we did - has pulled our fat of this or that fire lit when Amazon’s first (lowest) couple of support tiers resort to another of Amazon’s corporate philosophies, the “Defective By Design” (aka “sludge”) Business Model of Provisioning Customer Support.

I am too busy being impressed by correct grammar in a long sentence to be able to recall the beginning of it when I reach the end.

To the core of the issue then would be user (seller) knowledge of the information given to Amazon at the time of ASIN creation.

3 Sizes in relationship to an item

  1. Item Size H W L - for the customer to know the size of the item
  2. Package Size H W L - for the customer to know the size of the item in it’s original packaging AND for Amazon to know how much space it would take to house if the item is FBA
  3. Shipping Package Size H W L - for FBA this is in Amazon’s control at shipping - for FBM this is in the seller’s control and can be set as preset sizes in Buy Shipping Preferences

As far as weight …

  1. Item weight - for the customer to know the weight of the item
  2. Item Package Weight - for the customer to know the weight of the item including packaging - and for Amazon to know the weight of the packaged item if it is to be FBA
  3. Shipping Package Weight - determined by Amazon if FBA as the shipping package may contain multiple items - OR determined by seller if FBM as the shipping package may contain multiple items

It doesn’t matter whether you use UPS, FedEx, USPS or Amazon for shipping as all of these methods rely on size of the shipping package and weight. It doesn’t matter whether you use Stamps, PirateShip, Amazon or whatever to purchase the label as all of them need the size of the shipping package and weight.

It is up to the shipper (be it Amazon or the seller) to input and/or provide the dimensions and weight of the package. We use PayPal shipping and Amazon shipping for our orders. We have preset sizes set up in both platforms. Both platforms return the same pricing for similar sizes and weights. PayPal gives estimated delivery dates based on shipping service business days of operation and does not include weekend days and holidays whereas Amazon gives estimated delivery dates based on shipping service business days of operation and INCLUDES weekend days and holidays.

To bring this back to the topic, USPS’s change is most likely an attempt to bring those who fudge on sizes back into line.

There are those who can’t handle the truth … and there are those who can’t handle @Dogtamer written language. Just facts of life …
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I hope they don’t get exactingly picky with padded envelope sizes. A #0 varies in size by manufacturer and then there is thickness variation on what you stuff in it.

Does anyone know if these requirements apply to BPM and Media Mail where shipping cost is determined solely by weight?

According to the Federal Register story that is linked in the posted item “This proposal would also continue to only apply to commercial Priority Mail Express, Priority Mail, USPS Ground Advantage, and Parcel Select, products.”

I have no idea (and don’t care) what is included in the Parcel Select category.

Since I don’t sell a lot of books and only use Media Mail EVERY package is going to get measured so I can put dimensions into the info when I print the labels.

All of the above comments about trusting Amazon and having added weights and dimensions certainly works for sellers that have captive ASINs, which I do not. Almost all my branded items went away on Amazon because I had secondary market UPC numbers. They only appear on other sites now.

From the linked article:

Affected shippers may opt to move volume to carriers that don’t have dimensional measurement requirements or partners that can handle the process for them, according to Barbosa.

Which carriers are those? Anything is possible but this seems like fluff. I’d be surprised if 1% of customers change carriers over this.
Also keeping in mind that UPS charges a hefty surcharge when you use padded envelopes.

I don’t think the grass is greener anywhere else for packages that have at least one undefined dimension.

I only have ONE package size set up in my shipping preferences however some ASINs come up in buy shipping using an old size I no longer use. There is a drop down list in buy shipping offering both sizes however I have to remember to select the correct size. Does anyone know how to clear the old size out? Here is my current screen for package preference.

Also would like to know …