I believe that the Estimated Deliver by Date on the order + 7 only comes into play in cases of INR, otherwise it’s DD+7.
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But is that really INR, or has it become INS – Item NOT SCANNED?
And WHY should any of us trust Amazon to actually make what appears to be a seismic shift in policy/perception to suddenly agree that an item that is not scanned and does not have a signature required has actually been delivered?
Their claim they will use the last expected delivery date for anything without a scan opens up so many ‘interesting’ issues.
I’m reminded of my ill spent youth working in canning factories and dealing with cans that had air holes where the lids didn’t seal entirely. They became what we called “swells” and they puffed up to proportions that didn’t seem possible. Then, at the most inopportune times, they would decide to burst, sending a spray of rotten peas or corn everywhere.
There is nothing like driving a forklift past stacks of pallets full of #10 cans and hearing a ‘whoosh’ as a stream of rotten peas shoot over your head as you drove by. I still have the uncomfortable feeling that dealing with Amazon will result in that stream of puke inducing stuff shooting in about chest high and NOT over my head…
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From Payments based on delivery date
How are shipment delivery dates determined?
When you use an integrated shipping carrier, we will use the actual delivery date of the order. In the absence of valid tracking data, we will use the latest estimated delivery date (EDD).
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So when I was finally migrated to DD+7 I had what is listed in this image as “standard orders”, and now I have the DD+7 deferred transactions. Does this mean that the “standard orders” amount will disburse to their previously scheduled b-weekly payout, or will they be deferred as well.
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It is only seismic for accounts that weren’t already on DD+7.
Really, I do feel for all of you that USED to have a better deal, but some of us have had to make it work with this system from day one selling on Amazon. It isn’t “NEW”. It has been this way for every seller that started after 2018. You’ve had 6 years of “special treatment”. The way they’ve gone about the change definitely sucks. They should have disbursed all funds and then implemented the reserve only on new orders. Either way though, there was going to be a gap in funds.
It is absolutely ludicrous that there is a reserve for EVERY order… I’ve been saying that since I started… just more money in slush for Amazon to play with.
Just wait until they need even more slush to make their books look good, it’ll happen. We’ll all be on DD+30 (the return window) and reminiscing the “good ole days” when it was “only” DD+7.
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The amount in the Standard Orders > Total Balance ($602.95) will move into the Funds Available within the next 2 weeks (or less) as the orders that were withheld from payment meet the DD+7. Those orders had showed as paid in the period right before your transition but were held during the transition. They do not show in the Deferred Transactions. So if you didn’t start tracking before the transition, it will be hard to know when the funds will be released … but they will be released.
As you purchase shipping labels now (if using Amazon Buy Shipping), the Standard Orders > Total Balance and the Funds Available will be reduced by the amount of the shipping costs incurred.
Orders in the Deferred Transactions will have an estimated release date shown to help you know when they will be released. When you ship, the estimated release date is based on the Estimated Deliver by Date on the order + 7. When the order is delivered (if you used Amazon Buy Shipping), the estimated release date will update to Delivered Date + 7. If you didn’t use Amazon Buy Shipping, it will remain as Estimated Deliver by Date on the order + 7.
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We do not have anything in Account Level Reserves. If you have $$$ in reserves, then you have open A to Z claims, charge backs or other charges that Amazon is putting in reserves to cover.
PayPal use to have you put up $300 for them to hold permanently to have an account. It was like a reserve. But now after being with PayPal for over 20 years, we no longer have to have the $300 reserve with them.
Times were different 20 to 25 years ago when many of us old timers signed up. Many of us helped pioneer online retail which has changed 100 times over than where it was. Many people were skeptic on even buying online back then. Did we have a better deal? NO … we had different parameters to deal with. Now the parameters are evolving and so we must also evolve. And like all the other changes we have been through, this is one more change that we have to deal with.
Those that have followed what the old timers help build ride upon the fruits and toils of those old timers just like us old timers rode upon the fruits and toils of those who walked before us.
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NO claims (ever), NO charge backs (ever), hell returns aren’t even “allowed” for my custom items for over a year, and spotless metrics…
ACCOUNT LEVEL RESERVES ARE STANDARD for “newer” accounts. The “official” story is that they are there for the things you mentioned… the real reason is Amazon’s cash flow.
Keep in mind that the advice you give is based on YOUR Amazon settings, which might not be like someone else’s (through no fault of their own). It depends on when they started, where they are, what they sell, and even what the person/bot checkmarked in their account when it was set up or they ask for help about something. Each of us might see something completely different when we click a link to help… though that is something that Amazon has been working toward changing hence migrating “everyone” to DD+7.
With DD+7 they’re now bringing accounts into alignment… so that they can more easily change the rules for EVERYONE at the same time in the future.
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I’m talking entirely about the change (or not) about scan/no scan acceptances here.
For an INR claim even a signature might not be enough to get paid, and SUDDENLY, a delivery scan is not even needed (from the sounds) for a payment to be made.
That is pretty seismic – IF Amazon actually follows through.
Lurking in the back of my mind is an incoming flood of LATE INR filings if any scammers see the ‘no scan’ payment, AND does it open up the possibility of ‘phantom shipments’ for crooked sellers again like Amazon experienced in the old days.
I’m losing my felony level scam thinking ability today but there has to be a way to screw Amazon with the non delivery scan thing.
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I’m not crazy about it, but it’s nothing compared to my old job in sales.
We worked on commission. Accounts had Net30 terms. So we got paid for sales at the end of the month when they were paid.
So in one case, I got a large order in late May. But with Memorial Day coming up, things were busy, so they wanted the delivery put off until Wednesday. Which was June 1.
So I did the work to earn the money in May; no payment until the end of July.
Waiting an extra week is no big deal.
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I think what really blows my mind is the number of sellers totally unaware of this change. People not noticing anything until they don’t get paid; then they wonder “How will I pay my vendors? What should I do?”
I guess telling them to build a time machine to go back 6 months to when this changed was announced and plan ahead for it isn’t going to cut it; but if my sole or main source of income was Amazon, I’d be going to at least some effort to pay attention. This was pretty well publicized; there’s no excuse for being totally unaware of it if your livelihood depends on Amazon.
Doesn’t change the fact that it sucks, but what would these people do if something random like a CC denial popped up (such as happened to us when our card got compromised the day before disbursal)? At least this you had some warning to plan more than the normal emergency fund.
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FWIW, Nisha, I sold books on Amazon for many years before discovering the Amazon Sellers’ Board, about 3 versions back. Not sure why it took me so long to find it.
Before that I relied, for many years, on the eBay Booksellers board.
I would not be surprised if the vast majority of Amazon sellers are unaware of the Amazon Sellers’ discussion boards.
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Trying to figure out why my deferred transactions are $0. All my transactions say Released. I believe I was migrated to DD+7 because I have a large amount in Account Level Reserve. Super confusing
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When you are first transitioned, the money that would have been your disbursement goes into Account Reserves. Within a short time frame (a day or two), the money moves up to the Standard Orders > Total Balance.
Orders that you ship AFTER being transitioned will show up in Deferred Transactions as you ship them.
Orders involved in the held payment will be released to Funds Available as they are delivered and clear DD+7. There is no way to track these order releases on Amazon individually unless you have set up tracking individual orders outside of Amazon (we had set up an excel file to track before our conversion so we had a good idea). Just know that those funds involved will get moved to Funds Available over the next two weeks.
All shipping charges, professional fee, and ad costs will be deducted from the Standard Orders > Total Balance. If you have a zero balance in the Standard Orders > Total Balance and have charges, it will show as a negative balance which will become positive as orders clear the DD+7 time frame.
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Me too. Just coming over here to read because there was NO deposit today.
I keep telling myself this is a short term cash flow issue…ick.
Iris
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Quite possible. But the first time you ask for any sort of help (even just looking up basic policy), it directs you to the forums.
Plus, I think you (and I) are not in the category of depending on Amazon for our lifeline. A bit different from someone whose next meal depends on getting their payout (foolish as that is; there’s apparently a lot of that).
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And refunds, FBA fees, FBA inbound shipping charges, promo rebates (some promo rebates are offset by shipping credits on certain FBA orders).
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Update 2: The morning after my disbursement (which was 20% of my total sales in the period with 80% remaining in Account Level Reserve), Amazon has moved 90% of what remained in ALR to Net Proceeds. Seems kind of odd/fishy that all of these DD+7 transactions cleared at the same time and moved into Net Proceeds. Eagerly anticipating watching the funds slosh back and forth between NP and ALR over the next two weeks.
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But look up above … it was moved into Standard Orders > Total Balance but not into Funds Available as the held payment orders (that which went into ALR) will have to clear DD+7 before they are released into Funds Available.
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It is the same for me. I didn’t have have any money went into Deferred transactions, as soon as an order (both FBM & FBA) were shipped, the money were released into Account Level Reserve. Today will be my 2nd transfer of funds after changed to the new DD+7 system.
Don’t know how Amazon dertermines who or when the money goes into Deferred transactions, but I’m OK with not have any amount in Deferred transactions.
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