Did this person just steal $300 from us??????

Here’s the scenario:

  • Buyer buys 1 unit from us on 3/10/24
  • Buyer buys 20 more on 3/19/24
  • Buyer gets a refund on 4/18 for 19 of them with the claim of “Different Item”

Because of the category, and the “No Returns” policy, these are not going to be sent back to FBA.

Safe-T Claims don’t apply to FBA orders. I don’t like the idea of eating this. Any recourse for FBA fraud like this?

Never had anything like this happen before. I see lots of refunds that probably are fraud but all of those are for 1 unit.

Just sent it to SAS but…

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Since the overall category has No Returns, what normally happens if the refund reason is less ridiculous?

IE, for me, no matter what they pick, if the actual return doesn’t come back in 45(60?) days, the refund gets reimbursed to me. But for you, what normally happens? I would think that would apply here too, but I’ve never had your scenario.

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Unless the return is “Refused Delivery” or “Unable to Deliver”, the product stays wherever it landed.

Normal BS returns we see:

Damaged During Transit - Reimbursed for these
Product Not As Described - My favorite, we get totally screwed - don’t get the product back, don’t get reimbursed, get dinged on VOC
INR - We get reimbursed

Interested to see what our SAS manager has to say. Emailed him last night so he should get back to me by Wednesday of next week. SMH

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You don’t set an order limit on your ASINs?

Personally I set limits of 3 - 5 on everything. It’s incredibly rare that someone really needs more than that, and high volume orders are associated with a high problem rate.

This could also be a competitor screwing with you.

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Nope. That’s silly. When you do that, and someone wants to order 9 with an limit of 3, they place 3 orders.

We have a lot of people who buy and resell that order large qty’s all the time. Not limiting that or making it harder. Money is money…

We do limit to 30… We get 2 orders for 30 all the time from the same person back to back.

Again, this is the first time in 6 years that anything like this has happened.

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Prior to having order limits, I had multiple instances where our inventory was tied up with fake orders that stayed in pending. It’s why I started putting in limits on everything.

Limiting to 30 does sufficiently address that problem though.

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Yes, but then when they want to scam you on returns and refunds, they have to do 3x the work and get 3x the dings. :smiling_imp:

But 9 in your product would be silly, 30 makes sense…unless you start seeing more of whatever this is.

That first order of qty 1 was definitely a set up.

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Well, anyway, because this is FBA there’s really nothing to do here. You don’t even know what happened since any interaction between customer support and the customer won’t be released to you. Could be a scam, or it could be something like they reported a problem with 1 item out of 20, and the CS rep thought they meant they only received 1 correct item out of 20 and refunded 19 instead of 1. Or it could actually be an FBA error. FBA has made more egregious errors than this before.

The problem is you don’t know what happened and Amazon won’t tell you. Personally I wouldn’t spend any additional time on this other than you asking SAS which they’ll probably tell you they don’t have any info about it other than buyer support gave a refund.

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Yea, I doubt anything is going to happen. SAS manager replied to 2 of my other emails today but didn’t even touch this one yet.

I only asked here because I thought someone mentioned being able to dispute some FBA order nonsense like this one in the past but I couldn’t find it. Even thought someone mentioned something about Safe-T Claim which I didn’t think applied to FBA and then I confirmed that last night when I tried to - “order not eligible” FBM / MFP only.

Is what it is and hopefully isolated. The return has not been fully processed, only started. Maybe Amazon will dispute it themselves since it’s a high $ amount. Maybe this is a known scammer to them.

I’ll look back on the order in a month to see what the outcome is.

Thanks All,
Steve

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Yeah, not a huge deal as long as it’s isolated. The concern here is that maybe it’s a competitor messing with you, in which case they could continue doing it.

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We are used to that in other ways. We can just add this to the list.

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Guess we might be able to find out something about this after all.

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Good to see that paying a $2000 / month subscription at least gets a $300 order looked at

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SAS just finally agreed to take on the Influencer Video debacle after I reported it 6 ways to Sunday.

I’ll be pulling the VP Escalation card on this one if it’s not taken down. Never used that benefit before with SAS.

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Yes, @Image ran into this: Confused, How can you file a Safe-T claim for a Amazon Fulfilled Item?.

But @Old-Timer solved it :grimacing:

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Good to hear they are looking into it for you. It doesn’t make sense that they claimed 19 of the 21 they ordered were different, unless FBA messed up and actually sent 19 that were not the same item as the other two somehow. They have been known to relabel products with the wrong labels. I have personally experienced that but it was a long time ago.

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