New Safe-T claim process...this a fu*king joke, right?

Well, they have updated the Safe T claim process very much like they did with the A to z claims reply process.

You now have to pick through a ton of boxes. You can only attach 2 photos…and the great thing is you now literally get a denial email before you even get the email confirming you filed a case on any item not as described return. They are basically auto-denying all not as described/inaccurate buyer return reason claims within 1-2 minutes of them being filed. You then have to reply on the claim with the exact same wording you put in the initial claim filing. You get confirmation emails for all of these so you basically get 3 damn emails about the same claim within 2 minutes of filing.

ABSOLUTE JOKE. Not happy at all.

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I think something is wrong with Amazon’s system. I am having the same issue with an account health appeal.
It takes less then 2 min for a form letter denial and I can’t get anyone to read it.

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I was just coming to ask about this very thing.

Particularly today when I noticed an “automatic” denial based on timing. Not even a computer could read that fast.

So I appealed it along with one that was denied a few days ago.

More automation…and yep, more fields to click through.

I’ll come back and share how my appeals went.

Iris

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Won one appeal.

Lost second appeal, so I appealed again.

99% of my safety claims are due to the size of the item. “it’s too small”, not what I expected,

And I can say the size is in the title and description.

No matter what reason they choose (Item defective, didn’t approve purchase, item doesn’t fit) I have been able to win claims. This time the one I did not win on first appeal was “didn’t approve purchase”…so we shall see. I’ve been able to say that the customer is reponsible for securing their account for that choice.

Iris

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We ourselves have had success hanging our hat upon that peg, although sometimes we have to point out Amazon’s published policy on that.

When that becomes necessary, we point to the last-remaining iteration of the Buyer-side CHC (“Customer Help Content”) page “Conditions of use” @ https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GLSBYFE9MGKKQXXM - specifically, to this portion (emphasis mine):

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So, Second one lost on appeal has now been WON

I submitted a total of 4 appeals before being granted the cost of return shipping.

Iris

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Yay for the win! But boo for the work it took for Amazon to honor its own policies when it comes to making it sorta-right with Sellers.

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Yes, most of our appeals are being approved, too…..but what’s the point of auto denying claims that select buyer picked wrong return reason within seconds every time (this is out of like 40 Safe T claims so far)? I’m just going to start filing these claims with no information and wait for the denial message to come in to actually go and upload the claim info. It’s just a waste of time otherwise….

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Yep getting this too.

Return Reason : defective

Buyer comments: the holster does not stay horizontol when holding RAPTOR SCISSORS

They purchased a horizontal holster for TRAUMA SHEARS
The description says “holds most 7.25in trauma shears”

The Raptor is a Leatherman multitool that weighs 4x more is 0.75 in longer and 4x as thick.

2x auto denial within min. 4x manual denial all with the same reason.

I finally get a message they are reviewing my claim and we will see what happens now. It is obvious that they are just trying to get sellers to give up and transfer the burden of Amazon return costs to their 3p sellers

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And unfortunately they denied the claim a few more times.

I have gotten the “we will not investigate further and we will not reply to any messages”

I would post to the NSFE but I know the mods will ignore me like the did last time

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Well after 1 month and at least 30 appeals the Safe-T-Claim was granted.
Seems like someone finally read the appeal I just kept copying and pasting.

I did make a poste in the NSFE but i don’t know if that actually helped or by some miracle someone actually read my appeal.

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Having followed your 080625 NSFE discussion (link) right from the beginning, I honestly suspect that the FMT-CMT’s Joey_Amazon might well have had a hand in producing your favorable outcome in this case.

Were I to find myself facing a similar situation in the future, I might be inclined to tag him/her in any new NSFE discussion, & linking that particular 080625 thread, w/ a mention that his previous intervention there seemed to have been decisive.

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But why is it so hard for Amazon’s 3Ps? Why does it require so much time and so many contacts?

New Amazon small business Sellers need to know, Amazon is much more interested in nickel-and-diming 3Ps for the benefit of themselves and their customers, than in mutually respectful and beneficial selling “partnerships”.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong.

I’m saying that new Sellers need to know, Amazon is not on their side, not even passively.

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I get it. But it feels different, when it’s your $10 in my pocket, versus your $10 in Amazon’s pocket, y’know?

Just give Sellers what they’re owed. No hoops.

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